Could Namor the Submariner Play a Part in the Currently Filming CAPTAIN AMERICA Scene?

Recent reports from the UK set of Marvel's Captain America have raised the question whether the resident Atlantean Invader plays an unexpected part in this week's filming.

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Speculation has abounded regarding the inclusion of Namor, the Submariner, in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Until recently, Universal Pictures held the film rights to the comic character. Just this year, Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige conceded that Universal, who had also returned the film rights to the Hulk, "doesn’t have any" other Marvel characters at their disposal. With Namor now reverted back into comic company's hands, questions arose whether the studio will include him in Captain America: The First Avenger; currently filming in the United Kingdom. The obvious way to showcase the aquatic hero is as a member of the Invaders; an amalgam of WWII characters such as the original Human Torch, Blazing Skull, Miss America, Spitfire, Union Jack and Thin Man who fought alongside Allied forces throughout Europe. Captain America director Joe Johnston has confirmed that the Invaders will play a part in the last 2/3 of the film, and will more than likely be combined into one fighting force along with Nick Fury and his Howling Commandos. Though the roles will be minor, they should appease long time comic fans.

Now, the question remains how to properly introduce these unique characters into the film without taking emphasis away from it's title character: Steve Rogers a.k.a. Captain America. Several recent reports from UK residents who have been closely tracking the past few days of filming have revealed a conundrum. But first, here is the sequence of events that have been filmed over this week; and how they appear to play out in the movie:

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- Downtown Manchester has been transformed into 1940's New York City, where Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) lived before his heroic life began, and where the U.S. Army has hidden the headquarters of the Super Soldier Program.

- Dr. Abraham Erskine (Stanley Tucci) heads the program, which uses a combination of chemical supplements and "Vita-Rays" to turn Rogers into the specimen of peak human performance; Captain America.

- Unfortunately, immediately after the transformation is successful, Dr. Erskine is gunned down by Nazi/HYDRA saboteurs, who attempt to escape the secret compound (hidden within "Brooklyn Antiques") and reach the New York Harbor.

- Steve, now empowered with magnificent physical capabilities, pursues the assassins along with Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell), a covert operative working for the American government.

- The vehicle being used for the escape, a yellow taxi cab, is eventually cornered at the pier, the culprits confronted by Rogers; who amazingly caught up while only on foot.



This is where the reports become interesting. UK residents have spotted Captain America movie crews prepping and filming stunt work in both Manchester and Liverpool. Here are two of the most relevant descriptions, along with their accompanying photos:

'Crews are setting up for what looks like a big water stunt. Explosions and wirework. Saw a guy in black biker shorts and nothing else standing around the stunt crews freezing his ass. Heard the swim stunt in taking place on Sunday.'

'A sleek submersible was lowered off the dock and quickly covered by a large tarp...They was two men in suits running from a yellow car o the water back and forth, looked like it was a test run..no cameras were rolling.'

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Now, I have not read the Captain America movie script but I would venture to guess that there isn't a scene where Rogers/Evans does a Micheal Phelps imitation and chases after the men via the waterway. Based upon these descriptions, though fairly vague, it leads one to assume the chase scene detailed above ends at the dock; more precisely, in the water. Then there is the mystery man seen on set modeling swimwear in 50°F weather. At this time, all signs don't point to Namor's appearance in this particular scene; but it is a fairly probable theory that this sequence could be used to introduce the character. If true, this would be a major reworking of the Marvel Comics mythology of both Captain America and Namor; though the two have integrally crossed paths before. For years, the two fought side by side on the European front of WWII as members of the Invaders. In modern times, Namor discovers Captain America frozen in ice. Though unaware of the possible repercussions of his action, the Atlantean hurls the small glacier into the Artic waters; which leads to Roger's discovery and eventual awakening.

For those fans who fear adding unnecessary characters to a superhero film may ruin it's focus, Captain America director Joe Johnston had this to say: ""The Invaders make a memorable appearance but the story is solidly about Steve Rogers, his origins, and how he becomes Captain America." Though Namor's role in the film, or lack thereof, is still unknown, more details are sure to emerge as the film continues production for the next several months.

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Captain America: The First Avenger stars Chris Evans, Hugo Weaving, Tommy Lee Jones, Stanley Tucci, Haley Atwell, Sebastian Stan, Dominic Cooper Toby Jones and Neal McDonough. The film is scheduled for theatrical release on July 22nd, 2011.


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claybo4131 User is offline

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NYC is along the Atlantic ocean, and Liverpool is a port city in England, hhmmm interesting

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Hmmmm. It would make sense. Great stuff Pietro! Big Grin

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*starts chanting* NAMOR NAMOR NAMOR NAMOR! God I can't wait for this film. Smile

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Nice connecting of the dots! All points are hopefully pointing to this along with the Easter Eggs from Iron Man

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Interesting if true Big Grin

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I thought that Johnston said quite a while ago that when he initially talked about the Invaders he actually meant the Howling Commandos.

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The only problem I can see for the movie if this is true is the tone of the movie. Jonston and co. have said it's a period piece that just happens to involve Captain America. Now if they can pull of something like Indiana Jones, and manage a plausible 'suspension of disbelief' explanation, then they've knocked it out of the park and the movie will be that much better for involving the Invaders. If this is true and it doesn't keep the tone right, Jonston and co. risk slipping to 'campy' and ruining the movie. All the evidence says film is going for a very sharp reality-science fiction tone. Confused Now, in keeping with that tone, what if the Invaders and the Howlin' Commando's were some sort of 'special ops' groups. If the fans don't strangle the people involved in the movie for the changes, this could allow for room to keep the realistic tone.

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I rather see Namor in the Fantastic Four reboot as the main story than seeing him in a small cameo in The First Avengers. Like how you go from a normal guy from Brooklyn, NY becoming a superhero thanks to the Super Serum to a Merman in green Speedo with wings in his ankle?? Confused Confused It'll be f'ing epic to see Namor fight along side Cap and Bucky but I don't know. Than if you have the original Human Torch and Thin Man and Blazing Skull, it'll be Wolverine Origins all over again!

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greenlanternfury wrote:

I rather see Namor in the Fantastic Four reboot as the main story than seeing him in a small cameo in The First Avengers. Like how you go from a normal guy from Brooklyn, NY becoming a superhero thanks to the Super Serum to a Merman in green Speedo with wings in his ankle?? Confused Confused It'll be f'ing epic to see Namor fight along side Cap and Bucky but I don't know. Than if you have the original Human Torch and Thin Man and Blazing Skull, it'll be Wolverine Origins all over again!

I agree with most of what you say except the part about the Fantastic Four Reboot. Seeing how Fox seems to be treating First Class, I'd much rather see a Marvel Studios Namor. I do agree that the guy does need main event status. I definitely wouldn't mind a cameo from him either though. I say go the Hellboy Route. You don't have to explain the backstory of every single character or explain why they exist as long as they're interesting and fun to watch.

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Upupandaway wrote:
greenlanternfury wrote:

I rather see Namor in the Fantastic Four reboot as the main story than seeing him in a small cameo in The First Avengers. Like how you go from a normal guy from Brooklyn, NY becoming a superhero thanks to the Super Serum to a Merman in green Speedo with wings in his ankle?? Confused Confused It'll be f'ing epic to see Namor fight along side Cap and Bucky but I don't know. Than if you have the original Human Torch and Thin Man and Blazing Skull, it'll be Wolverine Origins all over again!

I agree with most of what you say except the part about the Fantastic Four Reboot. Seeing how Fox seems to be treating First Class, I'd much rather see a Marvel Studios Namor. I do agree that the guy does need main event status. I definitely wouldn't mind a cameo from him either though. I say go the Hellboy Route. You don't have to explain the backstory of every single character or explain why they exist as long as they're interesting and fun to watch.

Yeah but Captain America isn't Hellboy, is he?!! Namor has a rich long history and they (Marvel and Joe Johnson the director) can't just have Namor appear on screen without no explanation why he's fight in the battle field with Captain America and Bucky and no backstory was so ever and be like "take it or leave it!" I want the movie to focus solely on Steve Rogers becoming Captain America, Bucky Barnes, Peggy Carter, the Red Skull transformation, and H.Y.D.R.A and not involve a aquatic superhero with little wings on both sides of his ankles and a android who has the same superhero name and powers as the guy Chris Evans play in the 2 Fantastic Four movie. Laughing out loud And speaking of FF, I believe Fox learn for the two f ups and will do the reboot justice with a better cast, director and script and no bleeping clouds in a shape of Galactus and a rubbery looking Blue-Eye Thing!

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I'm saying you have to do that sometimes with an ensemble movie. You don't completely dismiss his backstory. Just give enough to reveal his motivation (or make it some mystery thing to flesh out in his own feature) and let it be about Cap. To me, it's like any other war film. There are many different characters with many different backgrounds. You get a little bit about that from interactions with characters and what-not. It's much like Saving Private Ryan was a film in which Tom Hanks was the character focus, but the characters and the situations around him fleshed out his character more. You still knew a bit about his squad, but the main question was "who is Capt. Miller?". I'd love to hear Namor talk about the Nazis not stopping at the surface world, etc., etc.

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Upupandaway wrote:

I'd love to hear Namor talk about the Nazis not stopping at the surface world, etc., etc.

Yeah, the Nazis could be taking over the surface world, and we send Captain America and Bucky down to the undersea world to warn them. Maybe along the way they meet a bumbling member of the underwater species who has been excommunicated. Sounds like movie gold to me. Haha!

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theguilty1 wrote:
Upupandaway wrote:

I'd love to hear Namor talk about the Nazis not stopping at the surface world, etc., etc.

Yeah, the Nazis could be taking over the surface world, and we send Captain America and Bucky down to the undersea world to warn them. Maybe along the way they meet a bumbling member of the underwater species who has been excommunicated. Sounds like movie gold to me. Haha!

Thanks Lucas, I just spit out my coffee *shakes fist*

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Pietro Filipponi wrote:
theguilty1 wrote:
Upupandaway wrote:

I'd love to hear Namor talk about the Nazis not stopping at the surface world, etc., etc.

Yeah, the Nazis could be taking over the surface world, and we send Captain America and Bucky down to the undersea world to warn them. Maybe along the way they meet a bumbling member of the underwater species who has been excommunicated. Sounds like movie gold to me. Haha!

Thanks Lucas, I just spit out my coffee *shakes fist*

I was saying that Namor knows about the Nazis beforehand and thinks that their thirst for conquest won't stop at the surface. It's about him defending his home. There's no need to have an underwater scene a la SW: Episode 1. Smile All I'm trying to say is that I'd love to see Namor fighting alongside Cap in a way that mirrors the epic Alex Ross painting in "Marvels."

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Upupandaway wrote:
Pietro Filipponi wrote:
theguilty1 wrote:
Upupandaway wrote:

I'd love to hear Namor talk about the Nazis not stopping at the surface world, etc., etc.

Yeah, the Nazis could be taking over the surface world, and we send Captain America and Bucky down to the undersea world to warn them. Maybe along the way they meet a bumbling member of the underwater species who has been excommunicated. Sounds like movie gold to me. Haha!

Thanks Lucas, I just spit out my coffee *shakes fist*

I was saying that Namor knows about the Nazis beforehand and thinks that their thirst for conquest won't stop at the surface. It's about him defending his home. There's no need to have an underwater scene a la SW: Episode 1. Smile All I'm trying to say is that I'd love to see Namor fighting alongside Cap in a way that mirrors the epic Alex Ross painting in "Marvels."

I know, it's all good. I just thought it was a funny comparison. I'm not too high on Namor, so I can't really contribute other than making as many Episode 1 references as possible, haha!

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@theguilty1: Haha it was funny. No offense obviously.

@Pietro: Good write up man. I'm not sure if I can see this as Namor. Maybe he makes an unexpected appearance at the scene for some reason? Surely at this point Steve would not know Namor right?

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I think it'd be hilarious if they have this scene near the dock, and way, way off in the distance you see a guy poke his head up out of the water. No explaination, nothing...just a hint of a widow's peak checking stuff out, then disappearing back into the sea.